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sobanek Rookie Author New Jersey Posts:71 Points:11,520 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 12, 2011 8:14:51 AM Ignore sobanek Report Abuse You still drive huge V8s and V6s. You're anti-diesel. You still buy huge Ford trucks. You still buy huge cars.

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You still drive huge V8s and V6s.
You're anti-diesel.
You still buy huge Ford trucks.
You still buy huge cars.

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oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,062 Points:306,900 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 26, 2011 3:46:07 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse V6 out sells V8 in ford F-150 Some one got the hint. "the 3.5-liter direct-injection turbocharged EcoBoost V6 engine made up 41% of [F-150] sales in north america" as of last week.
jorobins538 Champion Author Chicago Posts:4,732 Points:638,320 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jul 26, 2011 2:31:59 PM Ignore jorobins538 Report Abuse greedy greedy unpatriotic piggies.
PaylessKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:8,750 Points:1,585,450 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 26, 2011 12:30:54 AM Ignore PaylessKY Report Abuse The car I have came in a 6 and 4 cyl. I chose the 4 which has plenty of power.
Pruislove All-Star Author Missouri Posts:675 Points:131,230 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jul 25, 2011 6:20:40 AM Ignore Pruislove Report Abuse hahaah true, we have a pruis and a scoooter!
busybeeBC Veteran Author Vancouver Posts:261 Points:29,980 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2011 3:50:06 PM Ignore busybeeBC Report Abuse it's not doing anything but whine
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,062 Points:306,900 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2011 3:30:56 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse "Car maker and after market does not want to sell gas saving devices for older cars" Yes they do. If you want more economy, take it.,http://ecomodder.com/wiki/index.php/Car_MPG_Efficiency_Modifications_Main Don't wait around for the government to do it for you. I am just saying that if I can get 27mpg with out "hyper miling" (aka doing any stupid stunts that slow the flow of traffic) or drafting with my 5,800lb truck that was made 27 years ago, has the aerodynamic profile of 2 stacked bricks, is on 31'' tires, had 235,000 miles on the old engine (RIP), an auto transmission and has nothing newer than early 1990s technology you shouldn't have any problem getting well over 50mpg on the highway with in a straight 4cyl gaser car made with in the last 10 years. A hybrid or diesel should get a lot more, no problem.
Pede Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,396 Points:669,375 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2011 11:36:50 AM Ignore Pede Report Abuse Car maker and after market does not want to sell gas saving devices for older cars
CactusBobs Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,736 Points:488,510 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2011 10:52:27 AM Ignore CactusBobs Report Abuse reb4 wrote And they get all huffy about vehicles that get good mileage, because it makes them look bad, or they get 27MPG once on a trip and tell everyone that's what they always get"........100% true i see it all the time
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,145 Points:1,825,050 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2011 8:45:28 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse bingo sluggopyle, marketing to the "wants" of the people is what it's all about. I moved once, I should have a moving truck in case I need to move again. And they get all huffy about vehicles that get good mileage, because it makes them look bad, or they get 27MPG once on a trip and tell everyone thats what they always get... [Edited by: reb4 at 7/24/2011 8:48:07 AM EST]
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,062 Points:306,900 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2011 6:31:15 AM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse If I can get nearly 30mpg highway out of an SUV the auto makers can do it too. (You have to drive the speed limit or forget about getting over 25mpg) The only problem is will any one buy a 2wd, on road only truck that can only tow around 6,000lbs?
sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:23,608 Points:1,075,890 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2011 2:39:30 AM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse =>Now if they created an SUV that got 50 mpg and all of a sudden, the consumer did not purchase any other SUV except that one. I can tell you other manufacturers would be in a race to create a similar one. <= They would, but I sure wouldn't want one. And if they did come up with a 50mpg inverted bathtub, then they should be able to use the same technology to make a 100mpg reasonable car with the agility the bathtub will never have. SUVs with silly centers of gravity and their evil twins the plethora of ever-huger pickup trucks are the result of one factor and one factor only: marketing. People are lemmings who won't stop to think that they don't actually need a vehicle capable of towing an asteroid. And knowing this, car companies invented these profit cows to milk, at the expense of efficiency, safety and simple common sense. Take a survey some random day of all the pickup trucks you see and count how many of them are actually carrying anything at all. When I do this I see about 80-90% stone empty. Lemmings. [Edited by: sluggopyle at 7/24/2011 2:41:50 AM EST]
Houckster Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,352 Points:693,700 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2011 5:59:36 PM Ignore Houckster Report Abuse REB4 writes: I had bought Taurus line for many years, but now that has grown to the full size vehicle... _____ The Fusion is the actual continuation of the old Taurus. The original Taurus was put out to pasture and replaced by the Fusion. Taurus was reborn as a rebadge of the Ford 500 which put people to sleep.
CactusBobs Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,736 Points:488,510 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2011 3:38:02 PM Ignore CactusBobs Report Abuse wildddkattt80 : well.......not everybody on here is to blame ...other than my first few cars bought used in my teen years i have been on the small car bandwagon ........you can go far in life with the money you DON'T put in your gas tank ....second life tip : don't buy anything that goes down in value on credit...... EVER !
wildddkattt80 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,143 Points:432,145 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2011 9:32:36 AM Ignore wildddkattt80 Report Abuse People on here are correct. We are part of the problem as well. When people purchase those huge vehicles with lousy gas mileage, you are just telling the manufacturers, we don't care. Now if they created an SUV that got 50 mpg and all of a sudden, the consumer did not purchase any other SUV except that one. I can tell you other manufacturers would be in a race to create a similar one.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,145 Points:1,825,050 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2011 8:20:25 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse pgerassi, the other misleading fact is car manufacturers continue to make cars bigger. We bough a 2009 Corolla to replace our 99 corolla which we gave to our son. My wife insisted on getting another because of it's the only car we have ever had that had o problems and was nice and small for her to drive... She was willing to look at other vehicles because it was so big. Yet it still gets 10 - 20% better gas mileage than 99.. which was great! I had bought Taurus line for many years, but now that has grown to the full size vehicle...
WES03 Champion Author Maryland Posts:4,859 Points:1,267,995 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2011 7:45:14 AM Ignore WES03 Report Abuse Alexi7 - That's an interesting prediction.
Alexi7 All-Star Author Ohio Posts:535 Points:13,930 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2011 7:10:36 AM Ignore Alexi7 Report Abuse My theory: As we Boomers retire/die(unless you've left a huge chunk of change for your kids to blow) there will be fewer motorhomes,SUVs, trucks etc on the road and oil consumption will drop even further.
aftiggerintel All-Star Author Omaha Posts:567 Points:162,235 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2011 12:13:31 AM Ignore aftiggerintel Report Abuse We love our Jettas and are slowly changing family and friends over to TDIs.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:10,916 Points:2,135,505 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2011 9:08:22 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse I have seen engine sizes go up for years. I learned to drive in a classic VW Bug (Beetle) with a 1.5L 8V flat 4 engine and 4 speed stick. The engine developed 54HP, topped out at 79MPH and took 22 seconds to go from 0-60. It got 22-25MPG on the highway (70MPH in the day, 65MPH at night and 55MPH for trucks), 20MPG in the city and could get to a little over 30MPG at a continuous 35MPH on a flat straight rural highway in calm conditions. Today's compact cars (2012 Ford Focus) have 2.0L 16V I4 w/6spd automated manual which puts out 160HP, tops out at 134MPH and takes 8.0 seconds to go 0-60. It gets 28MPG city, 40MPG highway, 33MPG combined using a new rating system that is quite a bit harder than the one in place in the 90's and early 00's. A car (2001 Focus ZX3 manual developing 130HP) doing 25/34/29 in the old system, got 22/30/25 in the new one. A older European Focus could be had with a 1.4L engine that produced 75HP, did 0-60 in 15.4 seconds and topped out at 105MPH. It got 30/57 using the new EPA standards. Judging by these these data points, a 54HP engine would be about 0.7L using 2011 standards. It would do 0-60 in about 20 seconds (better and more gear ratios plus wider flatter torque band) and top out at 92MPH. It likely would do about 40MPG in the city, 70MPG on the highway making for a combined of 54MPG. The trouble is that those cylinder sizes are much more used in motorcycles and small utility engines like for tow behind air compressors and pumps. Its hard for some designers of new stuff to go down in HP and that much smaller in engine sizes thinking that it wouldn't be marketable. However if one goes into the real world, and measure how fast people actually go from 0-60, most take 20-30 seconds to do so even when their vehicles could do it in far less time. So a 20 second 0-60 time would be acceptable in the real world (except for "performance enthusiasts" aka lead foots). And they rarely go more than 90MPH even when there is no limit (Montana for a while and I70 in rural Indiana during the summer before 1975). Thus the above 700cc Focus (likely with that 6 speed automated manual) would be good enough for most people and even as a cheap commuter car for those lead foots while they drive their "other" sports car during the weekends and to brag about it. BTW those using diesel to compare to gasoline powered cars, do note that diesel has 108% of the energy of gasoline so you should divide any MPG claim by 1.08 to compare fairly between the two. Thus a 40MPG 2012 Focus SE SFE would be as efficient as a 43.2MPG diesel. Lastly, one can do far better than the ratings indicate (they are conservative even for drivers without a clue). In the above 22/30/25 rated ZX3, I was able to get 42MPG by driving a constant 40MPH down that straight flat rural highway. The less powerful 110HP 2.0L 8V I4 SOHC Focus sedan gets 46MPG at that same constant 40MPH. And it does 38MPG at a cruise controlled 60MPH. Its only rated at 31MPG EPA highway (1MPG more than the ZX3). I assume that a good mileage conscious driver would get over 90MPG in that 700cc EcoBoost Focus and an average driver over 80MPG. Only the lead foot crowd would do less than 70MPG on the interstate in that 0.7L Focus.
WES03 Champion Author Maryland Posts:4,859 Points:1,267,995 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2011 1:24:45 PM Ignore WES03 Report Abuse ...runs the car AC when it's 103 out....ooops, actually had mine on today it being 103 and all.
Houckster Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,352 Points:693,700 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2011 9:10:17 AM Ignore Houckster Report Abuse CACTUSBOB writes: . . . but what is the #1 seller again this month the F150 . . . ______ I suspect that most of the people buying F-150s are replacing less fuel-efficient trucks so there is some reason for optimism. In the case of the F-150, they are moving from V-8 to the Ecoboost V-6 that provides better fuel economy when the truck is lightly loaded.
Pitbull1 Veteran Author Detroit Posts:395 Points:23,790 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jul 21, 2011 8:45:45 PM Ignore Pitbull1 Report Abuse E-85 Cactusbobs! Fuel made in America along with my car and truck that is made in America! Thats what its all about. Support American companies, workers, and farmers. The Smart, Yaris, and oriental cars don't give America one stinken cent. Time to wake up! I read about the new Chevrolet Cruze that will have a diesel and 6 speed trans that will get 51 MPG. The car is assembled in Ohio by Americans. That is where to look next not to overseas cars that do nothing for our Engineers, Businessmen, Accountants, Salemen, Assemblers, Skilled Tradesmen, and everybody in between. And you know what? The money, tax money, and their futures stay right here in the USA! [Edited by: Pitbull1 at 7/21/2011 8:50:11 PM EST]
WES03 Champion Author Maryland Posts:4,859 Points:1,267,995 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 21, 2011 4:35:37 PM Ignore WES03 Report Abuse Maintains ice skating rinks in the summer months.
WES03 Champion Author Maryland Posts:4,859 Points:1,267,995 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2011 8:34:07 AM Ignore WES03 Report Abuse ....run the AC even when it's 70 degrees out.
sobanek Rookie Author New Jersey Posts:71 Points:11,520 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2011 8:05:25 AM Ignore sobanek Report Abuse scotty - 525i doesn't have a V6. It's an inline-6
CactusBobs Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,736 Points:488,510 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2011 10:47:22 PM Ignore CactusBobs Report Abuse "smaller more Efficient cars would help " DON'T LIE ! we have the smart and the yaris and the leaf and a bunch of others ....but what is the #1 seller again this month the F150 .......all talk that's all it is .....are you in joying your slavery to the oil co's ? you must be !
Sweetridge Rookie Author New York Posts:50 Points:17,880 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2011 9:12:59 PM Ignore Sweetridge Report Abuse smaller more efficent cars would help
missbridge Champion Author Dallas Posts:3,699 Points:712,960 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2011 8:22:19 PM Ignore missbridge Report Abuse I agree. We need smaller cars.
scottydoesnt Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,797 Points:529,995 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jul 13, 2011 6:16:58 AM Ignore scottydoesnt Report Abuse I don't think the size of the car matters. I drive a 1994 BMW 525i Station Wagon. The thing weighs in around 3900lbs, has a V6 engine, but yet I get 25-29mpg every fill up. So . . . I put the next move on car manufacturers. But they struggle due to all the emission obstacles they must pass. [Edited by: scottydoesnt at 7/13/2011 6:17:25 AM EST]
farrot Veteran Author Hawaii Posts:483 Points:37,155 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jul 13, 2011 3:01:37 AM Ignore farrot Report Abuse I drive a Mini Cooper.
wintersucks Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,008 Points:15,060 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jul 13, 2011 2:59:35 AM Ignore wintersucks Report Abuse I'm not anti diesel, I currently drive a V8, Ford trucks arn't the only trucks, and a car I'd like to have but for what I do another vehicle doesn't work. Most of my miles are to the farm, the mileage to work is minimal. Fuel would have to be a whole whole lot more before I would think of buying another vehicle just for mileage. A car I'd get might get 5-10mpg better but would only get used on the short trips to the hourly job. Some it may make sense for, but driving a V8 that gets 15-19mpg, or an I6 that gets 15-22mpg in the summer vs. another vehicle to purchase, maintain, insure, and put more fuel in that gets 25-35 if I'm lucky (i'd like a Jetta TDI but I'm not paying a ton for one just for the great mileage) doesn't make sense after doing the math.
roadrunnin Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,760 Points:567,105 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 12, 2011 1:14:51 AM Ignore roadrunnin Report Abuse The more you waste, the more you have to buy. More buying = more taxes paid.
sobanek Rookie Author New Jersey Posts:71 Points:11,520 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jul 9, 2011 6:09:59 AM Ignore sobanek Report Abuse @roadrunnin: explain?
roadrunnin Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,760 Points:567,105 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 7, 2011 11:34:03 PM Ignore roadrunnin Report Abuse How about wasting gas as a means of "stimulating the economy"?
WES03 Champion Author Maryland Posts:4,859 Points:1,267,995 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 7, 2011 8:09:10 AM Ignore WES03 Report Abuse ...drive down the road with roof-top carriers.
RickF350 Champion Author Washington Posts:3,423 Points:706,080 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 7, 2011 1:38:47 AM Ignore RickF350 Report Abuse sluggopyle, I'm just having a wee bit of fun.
sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:23,608 Points:1,075,890 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 7, 2011 1:18:00 AM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse RickF350: I think the poster meant "you plural". Not sure why he singled out Ford though. Lots of brands make silly-big trucks.
RickF350 Champion Author Washington Posts:3,423 Points:706,080 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 7, 2011 1:11:47 AM Ignore RickF350 Report Abuse I'm not anti-diesel. My huge Ford truck has a huge v8 diesel engine, and it's burns a lot of diesel.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,145 Points:1,825,050 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2011 7:18:07 PM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse nice truck, I remember seeing rodman's hummer (the big one) and he had several I believe, and he had a driver / security guard that drove him around. Not sure how he could fit in it personally.
sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:23,608 Points:1,075,890 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2011 6:51:29 PM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse => Every One Look At Joe Johnson's Truck <= Wow. One word comes to mind: "compensation". And I don't mean monetary.
cheapmonkee Champion Author Portland Posts:30,330 Points:3,174,460 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2011 4:52:49 PM Ignore cheapmonkee Report Abuse You're Einstein
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:22,942 Points:3,532,320 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2011 4:46:46 PM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse Diesel or not, this is consumption of a ridiculous nature. Every One Look At Joe Johnson's Truck An F-650 for personal transportation? This is mindful of the wastrels who run A/C full tilt in the summer so they can have a big fire in the fireplace.
Shockjock1961 Champion Author Illinois Posts:20,148 Points:2,188,085 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2011 10:56:16 PM Ignore Shockjock1961 Report Abuse "Everything that says "made in China" is made by communists the last time I checked." What's that got to do with the topic at hand? Answer absolutely nothing. Your batting 1.0000 pitbull...
Pitbull1 Veteran Author Detroit Posts:395 Points:23,790 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2011 9:49:12 PM Ignore Pitbull1 Report Abuse Everything that says "made in China" is made by communists the last time I checked.
roadrunnin Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,760 Points:567,105 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2011 10:57:56 PM Ignore roadrunnin Report Abuse I hear sales of mopeds and scooters are up now that the price of gas has been rising, but they're only practical for short distances. [and no baggage]
hnofer17 Champion Author Austin Posts:5,385 Points:1,005,580 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2011 3:33:43 PM Ignore hnofer17 Report Abuse People buy v8's and v6's to accelerate faster. People buy huge trucks/cars to haul stuff. Why doesn't everybody just walk then?
oloung1 All-Star Author Florida Posts:683 Points:452,825 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2011 2:05:23 PM Ignore oloung1 Report Abuse i dont think ford is the only manufacturer of full size trucks, what happened to gm,chrysler,nissan and toyota? what about all those people driving their internationals as a daily driver?
WES03 Champion Author Maryland Posts:4,859 Points:1,267,995 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2011 12:36:50 PM Ignore WES03 Report Abuse Puts big roof top carriers on the SUV.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,062 Points:306,900 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2011 4:48:25 AM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse "Perhaps I should've stated "fuel-mileage" but it's surprising that you nit pick so much when you should get the basic concept". He has nothing else to attack you on so he goes after the low hanging fruit.
roadrunnin Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,760 Points:567,105 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2011 9:30:57 PM Ignore roadrunnin Report Abuse Hemond, Don't know about "cowboys" working out of "barns" just know what worked for us. All the parts are aftermarket accessories and as far as diesel here we can choose from regular diesel or biodiesel for standard vehicles and off road diesel for equipment. Perhaps I should've stated "fuel-mileage" but it's surprising that you nit pick so much when you should get the basic concept.