SammyAdams

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:07:52 PM
This is what a manufacturer usually does and SHOULD do whenever the "supply" exceeds the "demand". Unfortunately for GM, their projection for manufacturing these vehicles was skewed, because it was determined by government pushing in a direction (via incentives, mandates, etc.) rather than the free market.
Tax subsidies were not sufficient to overcome the value perceived by the buying public, hence the car maker is NOW offering these discounts. Good plan. I hope it works, except that, as a taxpayer, I have a vested interest in GM.
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carranco

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Georgia
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:24:10 PM
2012 needs to be the last year for this loser.
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bevmill

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Georgia
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 7:24:39 PM
Maybe it will be more affordable now.
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rjhenn

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Des Moines
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 1:55:19 PM
RickF350 - "You're talking about future sales which is just a guess and means nothing. Heck, GM could be gone in three years."
So, do you think that a company makes up their development costs with the first sale?
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jcdakota

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Baltimore
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 4:45:25 AM
Did anyone expect a stampede to the electric car? consumers are usually slow to adopt a new technology.
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RickF350

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Washington
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 1:49:29 AM
TrustinDad wrote:Two more links for you, then you have proven you don't understand what you are reading:
You're talking about future sales which is just a guess and means nothing. Heck, GM could be gone in three years.
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TustinDad

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 1:13:06 AM
RickF350 wrote: "I understand they are beating around the bush, and that you don't have proof."
Two more links for you, then you have proven you don't understand what you are reading:
AlterNet and Forbes
[Edited by: TustinDad at 9/25/2012 1:14:22 AM EST]
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nd73

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 1:02:01 AM
Another proud monument to the incompetence of the arrogant BO in the White House!
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RickF350

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Washington
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 12:46:24 AM
JustinDad wrote: Some people don't have the ability to analyze what they read. I will not stay up all night looking for information you can find yourself!
I understand they are beating around the bush, and that you don't have proof.
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VanIsleLes

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British Columbia
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 12:44:20 AM
Some people will try it for the price
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TustinDad

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 12:35:46 AM
RickF350 wrote: "In that article GM admits to loosing money, but won't own up to how much. Do you have a link to a reputable independent report?"
Some people don't have the ability to analyze what they read. I will not stay up all night looking for information you can find yourself!
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RickF350

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Washington
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 12:32:06 AM
TrustinDad wrote: You could have looked this up yourself, but here it is: Carscoop is one of many that reported on the errors in the original calculation. GM added their blurp to it. There are many others, just use Google. There were a couple of article here on Gasbuddy as well, but maybe you didn't see those?
In that article GM admits to loosing money, but won't own up to how much.
Do you have a link to a reputable independent report?
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TustinDad

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 12:12:57 AM
RickF350 wrote: "Well, enlighten us."
You could have looked this up yourself, but here it is: Carscoop is one of many that reported on the errors in the original calculation. GM added their blurp to it. There are many others, just use Google. There were a couple of article here on Gasbuddy as well, but maybe you didn't see those?
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RickF350

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Washington
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 11:54:57 PM
Trustindad wrote: The story behind the $50,000 has been proven false, but don't let that stop you from spreading it. Keep up the good work.
Well, enlighten us.
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papakoca

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Texas
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 11:06:55 PM
They should just take a page from the drug pushers salesbook. "The first one's free, kid."
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Blue48

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:58:04 PM
COOL!
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bvrbill

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Eugene
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:49:04 PM
The Volt is not practical nor cost effective.
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OGW

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London
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:45:38 PM
They would have to sell them for $10,000. before I would even consider gambling on one.
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farn1958

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:41:37 PM
still to expensive.
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WIPACKERFAN

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:37:02 PM
Anything to sell cars.
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FlyNFool

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:32:25 PM
And loose even more money.
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montytexas

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Houston
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:31:23 PM
what is the lowest cash price if I go into my local Chevrolet dealer ??
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Ray_10589

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New York
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:28:09 PM
tax waste ....
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Focus2

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:27:07 PM
WIWalt said, They just came up with another way to spend OUR money. GM did not deserve to be bailed out they failed as a business paid employees too much partied ect. Should have let them fail I am saying this as a GM owner. I like their vehicles But I bought my last one before this all happened & It will remain my last one I was never a big Ford fan but I will be checking them out for next purchace."
For your information, Ford was against the bailout before they were for it. They refused it at start but accepted a loan from the government later which was like a bail out. Check it out on the Internet. I for one am glad we saved all the car manufacturers and the thousands of jobs that supported them all. Even avoiding buying up the employee's pension plans by our government has saved us tons of money that even is not mentioned or talked about.
The first CNG cars came from Honda Civic GX. The present one is a Ram 2500 truck by Chrysler on the market right now, also runs on CNG and not from Japan.
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HailstormCA

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:22:05 PM
I've got an idea. Obama should like it too. GM can pay me to drive the Volt and I'll say pretty much whatever they want said.
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tco9436

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Connecticut
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:21:53 PM
Junk
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0to60in6

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Idaho
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:21:27 PM
Increase that discount to $39,000 and I might take one for a test drive.
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Rajah

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:19:06 PM
Yes, if they're cheap enough, people will buy them. That's pretty much the way it works for everything. If it's too expensive, you won't sell many. Bring the price down to where folks think it's affordable, you'll sell more.
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BigMoney65

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Wisconsin
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:18:35 PM
who cares will never buy a electric car or form Government Motors
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njerald

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Seattle
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:17:29 PM
Discounted Government JUNK
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usnerd

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:17:10 PM
What is the break-even price compared to a 40 mpg car for 20 grand?
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Mustache_33

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:17:05 PM
it's annoying when GM claims to losing money bec the discount they're giving. Are the CEO's idiots!?? Why should you be in business if you lose money at the selling point. I would believe if you sell at lesser profit, but not losing, to adjust with the economy. In the long run, GM would benefit because of all these new Volt owners will need to service their cars for change oils, tires, etc.. soon enough .. and that's business too.
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Barracuda

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:13:06 PM
Give me a 6 passenger,4 cylinder vehicle, 45 m.p.g. with some balls, and all the tech stuff.
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CPGas1815

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:11:43 PM
40 thousand bucks for a soup can size vehicle. What in the world is happening?
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libertyut

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Utah
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:10:43 PM
Sorry GM go back to the drawing board, no one wants one even at $30,000
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Ahking

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:08:02 PM
it's a start.
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WIWalt

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Wisconsin
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:04:53 PM
They just came up with another way to spend OUR money. GM did not deserve to be bailed out they failed as a business paid employees too much partied ect. Should have let them fail I am saying this as a GM owner. I like their vehicles But I bought my last one before this all happened & It will remain my last one I was never a big Ford fan but I will be checking them out for next purchace.
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ericbcire

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Nevada
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:03:28 PM
Nobody wants one.
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TustinDad

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:03:17 PM
runningmp wrote: "If you have seen one Volt on the road that is more than I have seen. To date I haven't seen a single Volt."
They are not at all that uncommon around here. About the same amount as the Nissan Leaf (which is a pure EV and has a much smaller range than the Volt).
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TustinDad

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:01:20 PM
runningmp wrote: "Why say no to a Volt? Because GM takes a loss of approximately $50,000 on each car that they do sell. When you factor in all of the R&D that went into the car and the abysmal sales that how you get that number."
The story behind the $50,000 has been proven false, but don't let that stop you from spreading it. Keep up the good work.
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stadlgi

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Akron
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:00:30 PM
Winter is coming along and electric cars don't handle the cold all that well. Especially one that will go about 40 miles before a charge is needed. Now throw that into winter with the cold affecting the batteries and the cabin heater draw. Maybe you'll get 10 miles? A lot of price for a car we can't really use.
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hammer219115

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:59:13 PM
Shakin out my piggy bank.
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knot2swift

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Calgary
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:56:46 PM
Well really...who gives a rats ass about over priced electrics when the public is screaming for cheaper CNG cars?
Again the Big Three screwed up! The first CNG cars will come from Japan.
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A2J

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Richmond
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:53:19 PM
rumors
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IUVidiot

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:52:56 PM
Not for me
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Wierbe

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:51:56 PM
I doubt the negativity of the posts here reflect the public at large. The problem is car is just too expensive, no matter the power source.
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runningmp

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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:51:18 PM
>>rjoeh, I've seen more on the road than I thought I would.. and for those who shelled out the money... more power to them... but I still want my little four cylinder gas model...<<
If you have seen one Volt on the road that is more than I have seen. To date I haven't seen a single Volt.
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runningmp

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Corpus Christi
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:49:42 PM
>>TustinDad, That's dumb. No, actually, it is stupid! Would you say no to any other free car? Why say no to a Volt?..<<
Why say no to a Volt? Because GM takes a loss of approximately $50,000 on each car that they do sell. When you factor in all of the R&D that went into the car and the abysmal sales that how you get that number. Plus, why would you buy/lease a car from a corporation which had to be bailed out by the federal government (i.e. taxpayers) and our loss on that is close to $30 billion. For the taxpayers to break even a share of GM would have to go for over $53.00.
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rjoeh

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:49:15 PM
Apparently... the government must have stopped its energy credit and this is the only way to get the public to buy the vehicle. I've seen more on the road than I thought I would.. and for those who shelled out the money... more power to them... but I still want my little four cylinder gas model.
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dwbuddy

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Fort Worth
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:47:57 PM
more subsides to keep jobs
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